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UPDATED - BA worker Nadia Eweida loses cross ban appeal

Cross ban: BA worker Nadia Eweida has lost her Court of Appeal case Cross ban: BA worker Nadia Eweida has lost her Court of Appeal case

A devout Christian who claimed she had been discriminated against when she was not allowed to wear a cross at work has lost her appeal against an employment tribunal decision.

Nadia Eweida, from Strawberry Hill, was told in 2006 she could not wear the Christian symbol around her neck while working at Heathrow as a check-in operator for British Airways (BA).

Ms Eweida, of Strawberry Hill Close, was sent home when she refused to remove the cross on September 20, 2006, and was off work without pay until February 2007.

She lost an employment tribunal and a subsequent employment appeal tribunal (EAT) and was today told by a trio of appeal judges - Lord Justice Sedley, Lord Justice Carnworth and Lady Justice Smith - her appeal against the decision by the EAT in November 2008 had been dismissed.

Ms Eweida appealed on the basis the EAT erred in stating BA did not religiously discriminate against her indirectly and her counsel, Karon Monaghan, said the tribunal was wrong to conclude any discrimination must disadvantage Christians in general.

Ms Monaghan told the court Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights and employment equality regulations respected individual religious beliefs and practices and did not require proof Christians as a whole would wish to wear a cross visibly.

BA cross-appealed the judgement of the EAT, which said that had it found discrimination against Ms Eweida it would not have been justified, and Lord Justice Sedley, giving the judgement, said even if Ms Monaghan had proved indirect discrimination BA’s cross-appeal would have defeated it.

He added: “This case had perhaps illustrated some of the problems which can arise when an individual (or equally a group) asserts that a provision, criterion or practice adopted by an employer conflicts with the beliefs which they hold but which may not only not be shared but may be opposed by others in the workforce.

“It is not unthinkable that a blanket ban may sometimes be the only fair solution.”

Lord Justice Sedley, in the judgement, said the evidence offered by Ms Eweida’s team failed a series of “tests” on whether she was indirectly discriminated against and Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights did not protect every act motivated or inspired by a religion or belief.

He endorsed the EAT’s judgement that “in order for indirect discrimination to be established, it must be possible to make some general statements which would be true about a religious group such that an employer ought reasonably to be able to appreciate that any particular provision may have a disparate adverse impact on the group”.

The judges ruled Ms Eweida would have to pay BA’s costs and refused permission to take the case to the supreme court.

A BA spokesman said: “British Airways is very satisfied with the decision of the Court of Appeal which once again confirmed British Airways has acted properly in relation to Ms Eweida.”

Comments(19)

Julie Hill says...
11:55am Fri 12 Feb 10

So know it's official, in the United Kingdom a crucifix is considered an item of jewellery.

And I thought this was a Christian Country.....?

bandit63 says...
12:51pm Fri 12 Feb 10

This is a very poor article. Why did she lose her appeal? On what grounds?. Remember that this woman had a string of disciplinary issues at BA and was very difficult to manage. Just check out the full ruling by the tribunal. The cross issue was the final straw for them and was to do with non compliance with a uniform policy that she would have AGREED to when she SIGNED her contract of employment. The press will rabble rouse on the cross issue which is not the main reason she ended up ebfore a tribunal. Let's get the reasons for the case being rejected first before jumping on any bandwagon.

She lost any sympathy from me when she also made a claim for compensation when it was stated this was a mtter of prinicple. Claiming to cover her costs is one thing £200k quite another...

bandit63 says...
12:55pm Fri 12 Feb 10

ok - as I was posting my comment, the article was updated!! DOH!!

gertrude grendal says...
3:27pm Fri 12 Feb 10

I am not surprised at the resault. Not enough that the government , from the top right down to the magistrates are busy crawling to Islamists and ignoring the rights of every one else, but this poor woman had litle support from fellow Christians. If a show of solidarity had been made, by nominal Christians, who only go to Church to be married or buried then the outcome might have been diferent. Our streets and public places have become ugly, infested with creepy women (and sometimes men in disguise) wearing masks and veils, their features hidden. Nowhere in the Koran is it stated that this must be done, but Britain lacks the guts to ban it. Wearing a crucifix is not as invasive as this primitive rubbishy clothing.

bandit63 says...
4:59pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Unfortuantley (and as usual), b/s will be spouted about christains being discriminated against, as the press pick up on these stoires and create an atomsphere where people think this goes on all the time. There are obviously times when this does happen, but ignore the newspapers and press as they just want to make sales, so will spin stories to this end. They never report on the cases involving people of other religions that are unsuccessful and trhown out, because there isn't much revenue to be made. Searching through the internet will uncover these stoires. Example is muslims who take their employers to court because they feel that they should be given Friday's off as it's their holy day. Every single time, the case is thrown out.

This woman is free to wear (and souds like BEAR as well) her cross anywhere she likes. The issue is that she agreed to a uniform policy when she was employed, and that stated that religous symbols were not allowed to be on show. All the rubbish I have read on other forums about people being allowed cover their faces etc., and work for BA makes me laugh!! It just doesn't happen.

Gertrude, get real. If you go to Whitechapel you MAY see SOME women with their faces vieled. I've been shopping in Kingston and Richmond near enough every weekend this year and haven't seen one!! In fact, I was in the west end of London all day on Saturday and didn't see one there either. Infested?? Please don't spout something that isn't true.

I have friends in BA, including one who is very devout in her christian beliefs. She said she knows of some of the activities of Nadia and is quite angry about the way she has behaved. My friend wears her cross every day, but tucks it away inside her blouse as that is what the policy used to say. Her hindu friend who nromally wears bangles to celebrate her gods, takes them off when at work.

Please don't get taken in by this Daily Mail / Sun / Daily Mirror calp trap

gertrude grendal says...
5:26pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Bandit63
Hello there,
Go to Hammersmith or Hounslow and see the procession of "ghosts".
Please don't get taken in by The Guardian (National Daily Paper) or any other loony left newspaper.
Remember, none are as blind as those who want to be.
Now in Nigeria, the Christians are being attacked and over run by fanatic Islamists. Soon it will be as bad as it is getting here.

bandit63 says...
5:47pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Gertrude, I don't buy ANY newspaper because they are all full of it. Please don't get taken in by the right wing press here either. I have to say what you are saying about the Nigerian situation coming over is like Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" or cods wallop.

WHich aprt of Hammersmith are you atlking about? Not the parts I've been too!!

Remember the following. In America, non christians are persecuted in the southern states, and suffer abuse etc. in some other small towns. The Israelis are persecuting the Palistenians who have a huge christian sect. The Protestants discriminated agianst catholics in Ulster until very recently. Reiligon causes more strife in the world than anything else.

gertrude grendal says...
6:34pm Fri 12 Feb 10

bandit63
I don't usually withdraw from a debate, but it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you.
Go to Hammersmith, King Street, or go to the ShepherdsBush Road and continue into Goldhawk Road. Go to Acton, where the hook-handed Abu Hamsa's family have a mansion, at the expense of the British taxpayers. He is in Belmont Prison for terrorism, and his sons are thieves, with prison records. They are from Egypt, but sought refuge here. In the Middle East, Islamic terrorists murder Israelis, but this isn't of interest to people like you, you are obviously enchanted with Islam. In America, people have wonderful opportunities to have a good life. Why else do so many want a green card. I presume you know what a green card is! I don't see anybody wanting to emigrate to any arab country, despite oil wealth, I have never known a queue outside their embassies. How about Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Saudi Arabia?
I will close now, because you are quite ignorant about international affairs and seem to get your information from the extreme left, and have a closed mind. By the way, Powell was a very erudite and educated man. He loved this country and it is a pity he wasn't listened to. Try and travel the world a bit and see and learn for yourself.

PeterTeddington says...
2:12am Sat 13 Feb 10

I can't find anything in my bible that says a christian needs to wear a cross to demonstrate their faith. In fact, Jesus only wore a cross once - and it wasn't around his neck!

gertrude grendal says...
12:30pm Sat 13 Feb 10

PeterTeddington

Reading my Bible, I see in Luke 9:23 the following: If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross daily, and follow me.

These beautiful words can of course be seen as metaphorical, but I believe they were written in a clear and straightforward message for Christians to wear a cross.

PeterTeddington says...
2:08am Mon 15 Feb 10

gertrude grendal wrote:
PeterTeddington Reading my Bible, I see in Luke 9:23 the following: If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross daily, and follow me. These beautiful words can of course be seen as metaphorical, but I believe they were written in a clear and straightforward message for Christians to wear a cross.
Yes, right Gertrude. The New Testament is full of references to followers setting up little workshops to make crosses for believers to wear and the churches of Richmond are full of new believers flocking in because of the stand that Nadia Eweida has been making.
I suspect most church goers have been cringing at this woman's foolhardy campaign.
Oh, and look out for those 'ghosts' you go on about.
Gertrude - as ever - the voice of reason!

gertrude grendal says...
11:08am Mon 15 Feb 10

PeterTeddington
Reread our correspondence carefully, and just two final remarks, and then must move on.
1. Please show the same compassion for Christianity as you do for other religions. What church-goers are left in contemporary UK will feel sympathy with Nadia.
2. I ask forgiveness for referring to veiled women as "ghosts". They are unfortunate enough already, second-class in their own families, often sexually mutilated for the satisfaction of their menfolk, who in their insecurity are fearful the women may find joy in sexual union outside marriage. Enough said, I just hope that one day civilisation will improve their lives.

bandit63 says...
12:15pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Gertrude- you do not who I am or what I do. I travel abroad a lot, my job is affected by what goes on at an international level, both at a macro and micro level and am fully aware of what is going on. I don't live in some ivory tower in leafy Barnes, and base all my opinions on the Daily Mail.

How dare you say I don't care about the fact that muslims murder Israelis? Any loss of life due to terorrist actvitiy is not acceptable. I suggest you start reading some history books that are factual and not Janet and John. If you understand history, including recent history, you will know that a lot of the problems today are caused actions taken in the past. Examples, include artifical borders created by European empire building, enforcing cultures on people that are alien etc. Get you head out of where ever you have it and increase your knowledge

A very good colleague of mine was killed in 9/11 and I support all reasonable actions to prevent this sort of thing happening again. If you read my psoting I said religion causes my strife in the wrold than anything esle. That includes ISLAM!!

Have you ever been out of the borough of Richmond or even Barnes? Don't think so some how!! You are the very ignorant one not me.

bandit63 says...
1:11pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Gertrude - one final thing. Because of my christian beliefs, that fact I don't know you and the fact one needs to be careful (and rightly so) about what one can type in these forums, I too have asked for forgiveness for the fact I couldn't believe how many ingorant assumtpions you have made about me and the perception I have of you as a right wing ignorant person (amognst other things). We can debate this issue is a reasoned manner, or make assumptions about people we don't know.
One more thing, I agree that Enoch Powell was a very eductaed great man, but his rivers of blood speech polarised opinion and gave a rallying call to extremists from all walks of life in this country.
The piece you quoted from Luke is an example at a micro level, of how people see thingss differently. In my view of this, he is talking metaphorically, and picking up your cross to me refers to how you mentally "plug" yourself into the world every morning, not the physical act of picking up a trinket.

gertrude grendal says...
5:01pm Mon 15 Feb 10

bandit63. Your stupidity, bandit 63 is only exceeded by your ignorance or preconceived ideas. Bandit63, it appears your travels have not succeeded in giving you any wisdom or understanding. You write as a crazed left winger, mean spirited and unwholesome.
You have done one good thing. You have persuaded me not to write or try and engage in debate on a weekly journal such as this. Finally, in your badly spelt and ungrammatical posting, you write:
" If you read my psoting I said religion causes my strife in the wrold than anything esle. That includes ISLAM!!"
In my opinion, religion is not to blame, human beings are. But of course, anything I think must be wrong in your little self satisfied brain.

PeterTeddington says...
5:51pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Bye Gertrude!

bandit63 says...
6:23pm Mon 15 Feb 10

GertRUDE - so I'm now a left winger becuase i don't agree with your point of view. How dare you!! You have never met me or held a decent conversation.I try and see points from all angles and udnerstand the reasons why we get to where we are unlike you. You started the mud slinging without backing anything up from personal experience. You call yourself a chrsitian? YOUR ATTITUDE DOES CHRISTIANS NO FAVOUR WHATSOEVER. I'm not a left winger. I believe that immigration has got out of control, the nanny state gets up my nose, there is too much government interfence, political correctness is too much etc. How much have you actually travelled oustide of the 33 bus route? In the last 2 years for work, holiday and voluntary stuff I have been to 15 countries across the globe including some really poor ones, so to be patronised by someone like you who believes everything in the papers is insulting. I'll remember you in my prayers becuase you need all the help you can get

Angela M says...
11:20am Fri 19 Feb 10

I thought that the reference to 'followers' was largely for vicars and monks. Also, the new testament has been translated and re-written so many times that you probably shouldn't take it literally.

I have always found it disturbing that many Christians find it appropriate to wear an effigy of the cross that Jesus was strapped to when he was killed.

If the person you loved was shot, would you wear a tiny gun?

gertrude grendal says...
1:12pm Fri 26 Feb 10

I really wasn't going to contribute any more comments when having to share the forum with an ignoramus and illiterate like Bandit63. However, reading through the paper, I see that this person can dish it out but not take it - and annoys many decent citizens. She is just a bully, read her comments in the case of the woman with Chrohns Disease, and her vile nature becomes clear. Beware Bandit63, I will pop up from time to time to show what you are really like!

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