Twickenham councillor joins UKIP

Twickenham councillor joins UKIP

Twickenham councillor joins UKIP

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Following days of speculation, Twickenham Riverside Councillor Scott Naylor has confirmed a move to UKIP.

Coun Naylor resigned from the Conservatives on Tuesday, July 2, sending a resignation letter to leader of Richmond Council, Lord True.

On Thursday evening at a UKIP dinner Coun Naylor and UKIP leader Nigel Farage agreed to work together in Richmond and Twickenham.

He said: “This allows me to encourage community residents to join me as prospective councillors across all wards and avoid the dumbed down political meaningless point scoring of the tired old parties that bore us all and serve us less.

“Residents are despairing that the Euro is in almost total meltdown, it is affecting them in both business, holidays, cost of living an over-valued currency.

“Freedom, both on a local and national/international level, is what I believe free, highly-articulate free-thinking non tribal people on both sides in Richmond and Twickenham constituencies now want.”

Many have speculated whether Coun Naylor's deselection from the Tory part was due to his involvement in Twickenham Residents' Action Group (Trag), which has fought for years against plans to build a high-rise development to fund Twickenham station’s redevelopment.

In his resignation letter to Lord True he said he fully supports Trag’s submission to the Supreme Court to challenge a Court of Appeal decision regarding Twickenham station.

Today he said: “I resigned from the Conservatives on Tuesday due to the melt down of the association and total disconnect between local issues and any interests on local issues.

“Because I have dared represent the 4,000-plus Twickenham residents objecting to the miserable poorly designed high rise Solum scheme on Twickenham station now being challenged in the Supreme Court when there has been almost universal support for the Plan B developed by local architect Richard Mellor and his practice Landmark Architecture for which we are hugely indebted.”

Following a Court of Appeal decision not to overturn Richmond Council’s approval of the redevelopment plans, it was confirmed the station works would not be complete in time for the 2015 Rugby World Cup (RWC), when thousands will use the station when travelling to Twickenham stadium.

In the letter to Lord True, Coun Naylor said: “It would seem to be a good sensible opportunity to use the time between now and the RWC for all the interested parties to plan for an outstandingly designed fitting low-rise station that the local community would actually get behind; such as a version of Trag’s almost universally loved and workable Plan B.”

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2:25pm Mon 8 Jul 13

news-to-go says...

Well said Councillor Naylor

If you stand for the Riverside ward you shall have my vote. It surely is time to sweep away the dinosaurs and their entourage.
It will be interesting to see how things develop from here
Well said Councillor Naylor If you stand for the Riverside ward you shall have my vote. It surely is time to sweep away the dinosaurs and their entourage. It will be interesting to see how things develop from here news-to-go
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2:46pm Mon 8 Jul 13

ruggabugga says...

Hang on.
Wasn't Councillor Naylor Richmond's greatest proponent of 'the dumbed down political meaningless point scoring of the tired old parties that bore us all and serve us less.'
And now he's having a go at his former party.
In one week he's changed from True Blue, to Indygo, to Purple & Yellow, with splashes of Kettle Black thrown in for good measure.
He may become known as Councillor Chamelion!
Hang on. Wasn't Councillor Naylor Richmond's greatest proponent of 'the dumbed down political meaningless point scoring of the tired old parties that bore us all and serve us less.' And now he's having a go at his former party. In one week he's changed from True Blue, to Indygo, to Purple & Yellow, with splashes of Kettle Black thrown in for good measure. He may become known as Councillor Chamelion! ruggabugga
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12:06am Tue 9 Jul 13

metis says...

Think you are being a little unfair Ruggabugga.
I am of the impression that Councillor Naylor works hard in putting his constituent's interests first.
The Tories need to sort out their internal factions.
Think you are being a little unfair Ruggabugga. I am of the impression that Councillor Naylor works hard in putting his constituent's interests first. The Tories need to sort out their internal factions. metis
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7:37am Tue 9 Jul 13

Paddy Briggs says...

Mr Naylor should resign and stand in the subsequent by-election. If elected then he is legitimised as a UKIP Councillor - if not we can wave him goodbye.

Twickenham is a liberal sort of place and I rarely meet those with the extreme Right views of UKIP. But no doubt there are some residents of the area who lean in the direction Councillor Naylor is now leaning. Fair enough that their views are given a spokesperson I suppose.

I see UKIP offering nothing at a local level. It is a two issue party - xenophobically anti-Europe and ignorantly anti-immigration. Quite what he thinks he can do on the Council about the "Euro meltdown" I've no idea. His statement on this combines wrong-headedness with irrelevance. Foolish in the extreme.

If Mr Naylor doesn't like the local Tories he should serve as an Independent Conservative and fight his corner on planning and other issues as such. His move to UKIP lacks legitimacy, is publicity grabbing and has the whiff of self-promotion about it.
Mr Naylor should resign and stand in the subsequent by-election. If elected then he is legitimised as a UKIP Councillor - if not we can wave him goodbye. Twickenham is a liberal sort of place and I rarely meet those with the extreme Right views of UKIP. But no doubt there are some residents of the area who lean in the direction Councillor Naylor is now leaning. Fair enough that their views are given a spokesperson I suppose. I see UKIP offering nothing at a local level. It is a two issue party - xenophobically anti-Europe and ignorantly anti-immigration. Quite what he thinks he can do on the Council about the "Euro meltdown" I've no idea. His statement on this combines wrong-headedness with irrelevance. Foolish in the extreme. If Mr Naylor doesn't like the local Tories he should serve as an Independent Conservative and fight his corner on planning and other issues as such. His move to UKIP lacks legitimacy, is publicity grabbing and has the whiff of self-promotion about it. Paddy Briggs
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8:48am Tue 9 Jul 13

JeremyRodell says...

Scott has been an active local councillor, not only on the TRAG issue, and deserves some credit for that (compare his fellow Conservative councillor, Sam Salvoni, who moved her main home to Cornwall but was allowed to hang on to her seat). But:
1. What on earth has UKIP got to do with local politics in Twickenham? Or indeed, what has any local council got to do with the Euro?
2. Scott is one of the most tribal local politicians I've encountered. For him now to claim to be standing for "free-thinking non tribal people" is laughable.
Scott has been an active local councillor, not only on the TRAG issue, and deserves some credit for that (compare his fellow Conservative councillor, Sam Salvoni, who moved her main home to Cornwall but was allowed to hang on to her seat). But: 1. What on earth has UKIP got to do with local politics in Twickenham? Or indeed, what has any local council got to do with the Euro? 2. Scott is one of the most tribal local politicians I've encountered. For him now to claim to be standing for "free-thinking non tribal people" is laughable. JeremyRodell
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11:35am Tue 9 Jul 13

lottieprosser says...

I think it's rather sad that Cllr. Naylor has joined UKIP as many people will not vote for him who might have done if he had stood as an independent. Some of UKIP's policies definitely effect local politics, including their denial that climate change is occurring and desire to ban local authorities from taking any action to mitigate its effects e.g. encouraging energy efficiency and the use of renewable energy. Cllr. Naylor's willingness to defy the Tory party bullies over Twickenham Station was to his credit. However I agree he was pretty tribal in other ways e.g. he supported giving away Clifden to the Catholic Schools that will deny entry to many local children that desperately need places, and was in favour of moving the bus stops in Twickenham. Can only hope he will have a moderating effect on UKIP nationally!
I think it's rather sad that Cllr. Naylor has joined UKIP as many people will not vote for him who might have done if he had stood as an independent. Some of UKIP's policies definitely effect local politics, including their denial that climate change is occurring and desire to ban local authorities from taking any action to mitigate its effects e.g. encouraging energy efficiency and the use of renewable energy. Cllr. Naylor's willingness to defy the Tory party bullies over Twickenham Station was to his credit. However I agree he was pretty tribal in other ways e.g. he supported giving away Clifden to the Catholic Schools that will deny entry to many local children that desperately need places, and was in favour of moving the bus stops in Twickenham. Can only hope he will have a moderating effect on UKIP nationally! lottieprosser
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1:21pm Tue 9 Jul 13

Twickenham resident says...

Paddy Briggs would do well to research and read the UKIP Policies instead of coming out with the old emotive claptrap claiming UKIP is "xenophobically anti-Europe and ignorantly anti-immigration".

No doubt Scott Naylor has considered long and hard about whether his chances in the next local election are better as an independent or UKIP candidate .....

People don't have to vote nationally as they do locally. Surely the most important thing is to have someone in the local council who truly represents the interests of residents and isn't constantly constrained by the party line and whip..... Just look at the decisions at the planning committee - party party party wins every time
Paddy Briggs would do well to research and read the UKIP Policies instead of coming out with the old emotive claptrap claiming UKIP is "xenophobically anti-Europe and ignorantly anti-immigration". No doubt Scott Naylor has considered long and hard about whether his chances in the next local election are better as an independent or UKIP candidate ..... People don't have to vote nationally as they do locally. Surely the most important thing is to have someone in the local council who truly represents the interests of residents and isn't constantly constrained by the party line and whip..... Just look at the decisions at the planning committee - party party party wins every time Twickenham resident
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3:14pm Tue 9 Jul 13

alex twickenham says...

For the first time ever, I feel rather sorry for LibDem Councillor Gareth Roberts - why? Because he has finally "outed" ex-Tory Councillor Scott Naylor and may, once again, have to concentrate on the onerous task of being a Hampton Ward Councillor.
If other readers are in any doubt about his dedication to the task of outing Cllr Naylor, please have a look at his Twitter account and follow the other activists like Twickerman, MarkyGoodrich and Roger Crouch, who is standing for a seat in Riverside ward. It really was something of a one sided battle since Scott was dumped by the Tories - how on earth could he stand up against their relentless onslaught alone? It's the sort of battle LibDems relish.
Having been unceremoniously dumped by his Twickenham Riverside party bigwigs, C'llr Naylor, for whom the LibDems were never an option, chose not to stand as an Independent and has thrown his hat in with UKIP. I think that was a mistake but that's his decision and I respect it. Lets see what the electors think.
I doubt there will be a by election, despite LibDem hopes, however Twickenham Riverside will be something of a feeding frenzy between now and May next year. All to look forward to!

Does anyone else remember when Councillors were unpaid and we had a Town Clerk instead of a Chief Executive earning megabucks? It's worth thinking about when you get your next Council tax bill and wonder how many of the "services" you would buy if you had a choice.
Alex
For the first time ever, I feel rather sorry for LibDem Councillor Gareth Roberts - why? Because he has finally "outed" ex-Tory Councillor Scott Naylor and may, once again, have to concentrate on the onerous task of being a Hampton Ward Councillor. If other readers are in any doubt about his dedication to the task of outing Cllr Naylor, please have a look at his Twitter account and follow the other activists like Twickerman, MarkyGoodrich and Roger Crouch, who is standing for a seat in Riverside ward. It really was something of a one sided battle since Scott was dumped by the Tories - how on earth could he stand up against their relentless onslaught alone? It's the sort of battle LibDems relish. Having been unceremoniously dumped by his Twickenham Riverside party bigwigs, C'llr Naylor, for whom the LibDems were never an option, chose not to stand as an Independent and has thrown his hat in with UKIP. I think that was a mistake but that's his decision and I respect it. Lets see what the electors think. I doubt there will be a by election, despite LibDem hopes, however Twickenham Riverside will be something of a feeding frenzy between now and May next year. All to look forward to! Does anyone else remember when Councillors were unpaid and we had a Town Clerk instead of a Chief Executive earning megabucks? It's worth thinking about when you get your next Council tax bill and wonder how many of the "services" you would buy if you had a choice. Alex alex twickenham
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4:06pm Tue 9 Jul 13

twickeman says...

Dear Alex,

I'm no activist and have no political party affiliation or loyalty.

I agree that Scott did a good job of setting up TRAG, campaigning for a low-rise station and developing Plan B.

But his behaviour over the last year has been extremeely tribal, firstly on behalf of the Conservatives, then in his anti-Europe campaigning.

Meanwhile, and far more importantly, he has failed to support Riverside residents on a number of important issues.

His political campaigning and Cllr Salvoni's disappearance have left an incredibly active ward with just one active councillor which isn't fair on us residents or on Cllr Chappell.

I'd like to know why Cllr Naylor chose to go with UKIP. Perhaps he needs the support of a political party or perhaps he sees a career path with UKIP?

What many of my neighbours and I would like to know is what Cllr Naylor, UKIP, now stands for?

Can he please break his recent and very unusual online and twitter silence and let us know?
Dear Alex, I'm no activist and have no political party affiliation or loyalty. I agree that Scott did a good job of setting up TRAG, campaigning for a low-rise station and developing Plan B. But his behaviour over the last year has been extremeely tribal, firstly on behalf of the Conservatives, then in his anti-Europe campaigning. Meanwhile, and far more importantly, he has failed to support Riverside residents on a number of important issues. His political campaigning and Cllr Salvoni's disappearance have left an incredibly active ward with just one active councillor which isn't fair on us residents or on Cllr Chappell. I'd like to know why Cllr Naylor chose to go with UKIP. Perhaps he needs the support of a political party or perhaps he sees a career path with UKIP? What many of my neighbours and I would like to know is what Cllr Naylor, UKIP, now stands for? Can he please break his recent and very unusual online and twitter silence and let us know? twickeman
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5:23pm Tue 9 Jul 13

juliadubbleu says...

True colours always come shining through! My personal experience of Councillor Naylor was that he was quick to make a noise when it suited his profile, but I found him aggressive and insensitive to the issues I raised. Coun. Salvoni quietly sorted things out without a fuss for us - yes, her family might have moved (I think her business hasn't), but she still answered all our emails and calls and worked hard to sort things out for us at the Council where "others" hadn't.
Euro indeed! All I ask is that my Councillors are in touch with our issues, not that they stand on street corners with placards
True colours always come shining through! My personal experience of Councillor Naylor was that he was quick to make a noise when it suited his profile, but I found him aggressive and insensitive to the issues I raised. Coun. Salvoni quietly sorted things out without a fuss for us - yes, her family might have moved (I think her business hasn't), but she still answered all our emails and calls and worked hard to sort things out for us at the Council where "others" hadn't. Euro indeed! All I ask is that my Councillors are in touch with our issues, not that they stand on street corners with placards juliadubbleu
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5:52pm Tue 9 Jul 13

jeremyhm says...

Paddy Briggs is foolish to be so hyyperbolic in describing UKIP as an "extreme Right Wing Party", "xenophobically anti-Europe" and "ignorantly anti-immigration". I would never vote for them myself, but millions have, and Europe and immigration are much in the minds of the electorate. Paddy may hold liberal (or Liberal?) views on these matters, but others, who have given it much thought, differ. The latter need to be considered, and rational discussions entered into, without exaggeration
Paddy Briggs is foolish to be so hyyperbolic in describing UKIP as an "extreme Right Wing Party", "xenophobically anti-Europe" and "ignorantly anti-immigration". I would never vote for them myself, but millions have, and Europe and immigration are much in the minds of the electorate. Paddy may hold liberal (or Liberal?) views on these matters, but others, who have given it much thought, differ. The latter need to be considered, and rational discussions entered into, without exaggeration jeremyhm
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7:10pm Tue 9 Jul 13

alex twickenham says...

I'm not sure why Twickeman is addressing his questions to me since I am not Cllr Naylor's spokesperson, I am simply an observer of events and comment as I see fit.

Reading the torrent of tweets and Twickerati stuff to and from from those I named, including Twickeman/Twickerman you have to wonder whether any other tragedies in the rest of the world exist.
I know that "tribal" is a word commonly used to describe our political party activists, perhaps thats an unfortunate descriptor given the way that tribalism has destroyed so many people's hopes and ambitions. Fortunately our tribal politicos of whichever party can only tax us.
Alex.

PS Twickeman writes "Meanwhile, and far more importantly, he (Scott) has failed to support Riverside residents on a number of important issues."
What are those?
I'm not sure why Twickeman is addressing his questions to me since I am not Cllr Naylor's spokesperson, I am simply an observer of events and comment as I see fit. Reading the torrent of tweets and Twickerati stuff to and from from those I named, including Twickeman/Twickerman you have to wonder whether any other tragedies in the rest of the world exist. I know that "tribal" is a word commonly used to describe our political party activists, perhaps thats an unfortunate descriptor given the way that tribalism has destroyed so many people's hopes and ambitions. Fortunately our tribal politicos of whichever party can only tax us. Alex. PS Twickeman writes "Meanwhile, and far more importantly, he (Scott) has failed to support Riverside residents on a number of important issues." What are those? alex twickenham
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11:04pm Tue 9 Jul 13

Garden view says...

What's done is done. Let us see how Mr. Naylor develops with his Ukip hat on. It may be that others, with similar feelings of frustration, are on the cusp of similar transitions. Anyone who believes that local councils are not being financially affected by the ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives being churned out by Brussels is definitely out of touch. Similarly, today's ruling by Europe giving the right of appeal to murderers convicted in UK courts to life imprisonment can only open up the possibility of the early release onto our streets of potentially un- safe characters. Of course EU rulings affect us.
What's done is done. Let us see how Mr. Naylor develops with his Ukip hat on. It may be that others, with similar feelings of frustration, are on the cusp of similar transitions. Anyone who believes that local councils are not being financially affected by the ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives being churned out by Brussels is definitely out of touch. Similarly, today's ruling by Europe giving the right of appeal to murderers convicted in UK courts to life imprisonment can only open up the possibility of the early release onto our streets of potentially un- safe characters. Of course EU rulings affect us. Garden view
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11:15pm Tue 9 Jul 13

Paddy Briggs says...

jeremyhm wrote:
Paddy Briggs is foolish to be so hyyperbolic in describing UKIP as an "extreme Right Wing Party", "xenophobically anti-Europe" and "ignorantly anti-immigration". I would never vote for them myself, but millions have, and Europe and immigration are much in the minds of the electorate. Paddy may hold liberal (or Liberal?) views on these matters, but others, who have given it much thought, differ. The latter need to be considered, and rational discussions entered into, without exaggeration
My comments are borne out by extensive YouGov research which showed that UKIP is effectively the BNP lite. It is not foolish to refer to the indisputable facts about this extreme Party and to deplore the fact that prejudice and ignorance has given them a measure of popular support - temporarily I hope.
[quote][p][bold]jeremyhm[/bold] wrote: Paddy Briggs is foolish to be so hyyperbolic in describing UKIP as an "extreme Right Wing Party", "xenophobically anti-Europe" and "ignorantly anti-immigration". I would never vote for them myself, but millions have, and Europe and immigration are much in the minds of the electorate. Paddy may hold liberal (or Liberal?) views on these matters, but others, who have given it much thought, differ. The latter need to be considered, and rational discussions entered into, without exaggeration[/p][/quote]My comments are borne out by extensive YouGov research which showed that UKIP is effectively the BNP lite. It is not foolish to refer to the indisputable facts about this extreme Party and to deplore the fact that prejudice and ignorance has given them a measure of popular support - temporarily I hope. Paddy Briggs
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9:06am Wed 10 Jul 13

JeremyRodell says...

Garden view wrote:
What's done is done. Let us see how Mr. Naylor develops with his Ukip hat on. It may be that others, with similar feelings of frustration, are on the cusp of similar transitions. Anyone who believes that local councils are not being financially affected by the ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives being churned out by Brussels is definitely out of touch. Similarly, today's ruling by Europe giving the right of appeal to murderers convicted in UK courts to life imprisonment can only open up the possibility of the early release onto our streets of potentially un- safe characters. Of course EU rulings affect us.
I think this illustrates why UKIP's obsession with the EU issue has nothing to offer ordinary local government.

Let's take two big local issues: the Solum development at Twickenham station, and the decision to give the Clifden Road site to Catholic schools with exclusive over-subscription policies. Neither are anything to do with the EU. In fact England is an outlier in Europe in legally permitting faith-based discrimination in admissions to state-funded schools.

Whether or not it's right to require a review of whole life sentences after 25 years is an issue for national, not local, government, which has no say in the matter. No examples are provided of "ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives" impacting local government finances, but how many of them a) are undesirable b) could be changed at local government level whether we were in or out of the EU?

Scott may reckon that it helps to have a party machine behind him, but a lot of people will conclude that "UK independence" is irrelevant when deciding who to vote for in a local election - unless he has his eye on something at national or European level that is...
[quote][p][bold]Garden view[/bold] wrote: What's done is done. Let us see how Mr. Naylor develops with his Ukip hat on. It may be that others, with similar feelings of frustration, are on the cusp of similar transitions. Anyone who believes that local councils are not being financially affected by the ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives being churned out by Brussels is definitely out of touch. Similarly, today's ruling by Europe giving the right of appeal to murderers convicted in UK courts to life imprisonment can only open up the possibility of the early release onto our streets of potentially un- safe characters. Of course EU rulings affect us.[/p][/quote]I think this illustrates why UKIP's obsession with the EU issue has nothing to offer ordinary local government. Let's take two big local issues: the Solum development at Twickenham station, and the decision to give the Clifden Road site to Catholic schools with exclusive over-subscription policies. Neither are anything to do with the EU. In fact England is an outlier in Europe in legally permitting faith-based discrimination in admissions to state-funded schools. Whether or not it's right to require a review of whole life sentences after 25 years is an issue for national, not local, government, which has no say in the matter. No examples are provided of "ever-growing bureaucratic legislative directives" impacting local government finances, but how many of them a) are undesirable b) could be changed at local government level whether we were in or out of the EU? Scott may reckon that it helps to have a party machine behind him, but a lot of people will conclude that "UK independence" is irrelevant when deciding who to vote for in a local election - unless he has his eye on something at national or European level that is... JeremyRodell
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6:05pm Wed 10 Jul 13

metis says...

I dont know anyone that is anti Europe but plenty that are anti European Union which by its very nature is anti democratic. The terminology is important.
Syed Kamall MEP has plenty of info on how the E.U. affects Local Government - Everything from directives for bus drivers to waste collection. Very little is decided autonomously by the council.
Few people realise that infact these directives start life in a myriad of international organisations such as the ILO, FAO, WTO, etc etc. It would therefore make sense that we have an independent British voice on these various committees than be subsumed by the EU as one body.
I dont know anyone that is anti Europe but plenty that are anti European Union which by its very nature is anti democratic. The terminology is important. Syed Kamall MEP has plenty of info on how the E.U. affects Local Government - Everything from directives for bus drivers to waste collection. Very little is decided autonomously by the council. Few people realise that infact these directives start life in a myriad of international organisations such as the ILO, FAO, WTO, etc etc. It would therefore make sense that we have an independent British voice on these various committees than be subsumed by the EU as one body. metis
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10:58pm Wed 10 Jul 13

JeremyRodell says...

Of course international agreements and directives affect what happens at every level in a globally-interconnec
ted economy like ours - some of them are daft, and many of them are welcome (like reducing the amount of waste going to landfill). But no local council can decide whether or not these rules apply to them. That's down to national and international decisions about which treaties to enter into and how they operate.

Surely we should decide who to vote for at local government level on the basis of the policies they propose to enact if they control the Council. EU membership simply isn't an issue that any local council can decide upon or influence in any meaningful way. It's at best an insignificant issue at local level.
Of course international agreements and directives affect what happens at every level in a globally-interconnec ted economy like ours - some of them are daft, and many of them are welcome (like reducing the amount of waste going to landfill). But no local council can decide whether or not these rules apply to them. That's down to national and international decisions about which treaties to enter into and how they operate. Surely we should decide who to vote for at local government level on the basis of the policies they propose to enact if they control the Council. EU membership simply isn't an issue that any local council can decide upon or influence in any meaningful way. It's at best an insignificant issue at local level. JeremyRodell
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11:23pm Fri 12 Jul 13

metis says...

Jeremy, you say that International agreements constrain the local councils but then say that the institutions responsible are not an issue. ???
We seem to have Tories in the pocket of the Corporates, Labour in the pocket of the Unions and Lib Dems in the pocket of the Eco loons. Is it any wonder that the average man in the street feels disillusioned and disenfranchised. Any prospect of breaking up this cosy cartel is surely welcomed.
Jeremy, you say that International agreements constrain the local councils but then say that the institutions responsible are not an issue. ??? We seem to have Tories in the pocket of the Corporates, Labour in the pocket of the Unions and Lib Dems in the pocket of the Eco loons. Is it any wonder that the average man in the street feels disillusioned and disenfranchised. Any prospect of breaking up this cosy cartel is surely welcomed. metis
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12:42am Sat 13 Jul 13

JeremyRodell says...

I'm simply saying that local councils - as opposed to national governments (and supra-national bodies of which government are members) - don't have a say.

UKIP's is about as relevant for local politics as the "nuclear free" boroughs of the 1970s were in deciding whether to retain a nuclear deterrent. Our relationship with the rest of Europe is simply not decided at local government level.
I'm simply saying that local councils - as opposed to national governments (and supra-national bodies of which government are members) - don't have a say. UKIP's is about as relevant for local politics as the "nuclear free" boroughs of the 1970s were in deciding whether to retain a nuclear deterrent. Our relationship with the rest of Europe is simply not decided at local government level. JeremyRodell
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5:39pm Sat 13 Jul 13

dickon says...

Having been shafted by the Tories simply because he stood by what he thought was best for his constituents, Cllr Naylor indeed had the choice of going on his own as an independent.

However, this would have denied him access to a party machine and put him at a severe disadvantage vis-a-vis other candidates in next May's elections. It is indeed possible that effective party machines could have ground out victories by mobilising tribal voters, largely ignorant of local matters, at the expense of those concerned about the currently pressing issues who want Cllr Naylor to continue to work on their behalves.

Of all the parties that Cllr Naylor could have aligned with, UKIP at least has no Whip so he will be able to continue to represent his constituents best interests without the need to bow to Party orthodoxy.

And as for those dinosaurs who still seem to think that UKIP is "BNP Lite" and, generally a "Far Right Party", have they actually bothered to look at the Party's policies recently?

Yes, controlled immigration for example is on UKIP's agenda: just basic arithmetic dictates that at the current level - and taking into account immigrant birth rates - in just a few short years there will be a severe problem providing such basics as health care, schooling and housing.
Having been shafted by the Tories simply because he stood by what he thought was best for his constituents, Cllr Naylor indeed had the choice of going on his own as an independent. However, this would have denied him access to a party machine and put him at a severe disadvantage vis-a-vis other candidates in next May's elections. It is indeed possible that effective party machines could have ground out victories by mobilising tribal voters, largely ignorant of local matters, at the expense of those concerned about the currently pressing issues who want Cllr Naylor to continue to work on their behalves. Of all the parties that Cllr Naylor could have aligned with, UKIP at least has no Whip so he will be able to continue to represent his constituents best interests without the need to bow to Party orthodoxy. And as for those dinosaurs who still seem to think that UKIP is "BNP Lite" and, generally a "Far Right Party", have they actually bothered to look at the Party's policies recently? Yes, controlled immigration for example is on UKIP's agenda: just basic arithmetic dictates that at the current level - and taking into account immigrant birth rates - in just a few short years there will be a severe problem providing such basics as health care, schooling and housing. dickon
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7:09pm Sat 13 Jul 13

JeremyRodell says...

..and what have local councils got to do with immigration policy or controls?

Having said that, I can see that it's useful for Scott to have a party machine behind him, as Independents tend not to fare too well, and he may pick up some of the Daily Mail vote.
..and what have local councils got to do with immigration policy or controls? Having said that, I can see that it's useful for Scott to have a party machine behind him, as Independents tend not to fare too well, and he may pick up some of the Daily Mail vote. JeremyRodell
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7:36pm Sat 13 Jul 13

dickon says...

" . . and what have local councils got to do with immigration policy or controls?"

Absolutely nothing at all. I was just pointing out that a sensible, and indeed necessary, immigration policy is not tantamount to being racist which is presumably what the BNP and "Far Right" jibes were alluding to.
" . . and what have local councils got to do with immigration policy or controls?" Absolutely nothing at all. I was just pointing out that a sensible, and indeed necessary, immigration policy is not tantamount to being racist which is presumably what the BNP and "Far Right" jibes were alluding to. dickon
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