Fourth runway suggestion no surprise to Heathrow campaigners

Take off: Proposed changes are at a further stage of discussion

Take off: Proposed changes are at a further stage of discussion

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A group of Conservative MPs and a think tank have suggested two more runways be built at Heathrow, to no surprise to anti-expansion campaigners.

The Free Enterprise Group and think-tank Policy Exchange made their suggestions in reports released this week.

At the same time the London Assembly has suggested noise from Heathrow and its impacts on people living nearby be reduced.

Richmond Heathrow Campaign, which is against a third runway, said there was little of surprise in the reports.

Chairman Peter Willan said: “It’s what we and other campaigners anticipated as probable and statement is just confirmation of that.

“We think the environmental costs of a third runway are going to be huge. A fourth just won’t be viable.”

However he added: “It’s quite good that they’re now coming clean.”

All proposals will be considered by the Davies Commission, headed by Sir Howard Davies, tasked with identifying and recommending to Government the options for maintaining the country’s status as an international aviation hub.

A Heathrow spokeswoman said: “We don’t endorse either proposal but we do believe the Davies Commission should consider any option for a single airport capable of handling the UK’s future hub capacity needs.

“Like all the options, these have their strengths and their weaknesses, which is why the Davies Commission needs to undertake a thorough analysis of them all. We will respond fully to the commission’s consultations when they are published.”

The London Assembly health and environment committee (HEC) said last week that an independent body should administer the airport mitigation and compensation schemes, which could help to rebuild the trust lost by local communities.

It also said noise measurement should be consistent, the detrimental impact on people should be reduced and suggested airports work together to organise flight times to reduce noise.

HEC chairman Murad Qureshi said: “Tackling the impacts of aviation is a big issue, both globally and for the people who live close to airports and bear the brunt of the detrimental effects. They could be in danger of serious health consequences.

“As politicians and experts gear up to discuss various options for airport expansion, there are understandably concerns that more runways and airports will bring increased noise and emissions which will seriously affect people’s quality of life.”

The Government’s draft Aviation Policy Framework was published in July by the Department of Transport.

The consultation period, which closed last week, will allow views to be given on a range of environmental concerns.

The HEC committee’s responses will feed into a final plan, which will then be consulted on twice over the next year, before new guidelines for airports are adopted from 2014.

Environment spokesman for Richmond’s Green Party James Page said: “I think when you ask people, not connected with aviation, they would be happy to see growth constrained. Even businessmen can find a way to get to most places on the globe – direct flights aren’t vital.

“Basically we have to get used to the idea that we cannot continue to grow all industries forever – and growing airports is not top of the list. And I’m pleased to see that Howard Davies has CO2 emissions on his agenda too.”

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1:26pm Fri 9 Nov 12

GordonBrown says...

The problem with saying NO to RW 3 or indeed 4 is the fact that you need to put fwd an alternative.Amazingl
y Heathow's 3rd runway already exists, its called Manchester !
Like many other organisations in the London area you probably don't realise there are any other options to getting out of the country other than landscaping the South East with concrete but incredibly Manchester has enough capacity to handle at least another 30M pax immediatly ! It isn't just a minor regional airport with ideas above its station like say Birmingham. The national airline BA (we refer to them as London airways) would rather funnel all UK traffic into one hub. Contrast this situation with Germany where Lufthansa operate from Frankfurt Dusseldorf and Munich. Manchester lies between 5 of the UKs major cities Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield and even Birmingham. It is at the epicenter of the UK rail and motorway network and has a fast frequent domestic network connecting Inverness in the North to Newquay in the South West. If you want to deflect attention from Heathrow THIS is the line you guys should actually be persuing !
The problem with saying NO to RW 3 or indeed 4 is the fact that you need to put fwd an alternative.Amazingl y Heathow's 3rd runway already exists, its called Manchester ! Like many other organisations in the London area you probably don't realise there are any other options to getting out of the country other than landscaping the South East with concrete but incredibly Manchester has enough capacity to handle at least another 30M pax immediatly ! It isn't just a minor regional airport with ideas above its station like say Birmingham. The national airline BA (we refer to them as London airways) would rather funnel all UK traffic into one hub. Contrast this situation with Germany where Lufthansa operate from Frankfurt Dusseldorf and Munich. Manchester lies between 5 of the UKs major cities Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield and even Birmingham. It is at the epicenter of the UK rail and motorway network and has a fast frequent domestic network connecting Inverness in the North to Newquay in the South West. If you want to deflect attention from Heathrow THIS is the line you guys should actually be persuing ! GordonBrown
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12:58am Sat 10 Nov 12

LadyOr says...

Heathrow is no longer easy access for people from London City, Canary Wharf, East London etc. Heathrow has reached capacity they should move-on and build a new airport that can be open for 24 hours a day.

People that live near Heathrow do not need twice the amount of noise, road traffic, price inflation, air pollution and desperately poor planning already inflicted by Heathrow.....
Heathrow is no longer easy access for people from London City, Canary Wharf, East London etc. Heathrow has reached capacity they should move-on and build a new airport that can be open for 24 hours a day. People that live near Heathrow do not need twice the amount of noise, road traffic, price inflation, air pollution and desperately poor planning already inflicted by Heathrow..... LadyOr
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11:40am Sat 10 Nov 12

Joolsaitch says...

We already have a workable and relatively inexpensive solution available.
(1) Use the runway at Northolt (5 miles to the north) as Heathrow's 3rd, short-haul runway. Its almost the same length as the proposed new one, its roughly parallel to Heathrow's two long-haul runways, its already built, already operational and well served by roads and a railway.
(2) Build a new short-haul terminal at Northolt.
(3) Tunnel a link from Northolt to the Piccadilly Line at Heathrow.
(4) Move all cargo operations out of Heathrow and relocate to Lyneham, Manston and/or Birmingham.
This will free up a great many arrival and departure slots thus easing the load on Heathrow's two existing long runways.
Yes, it will be a satellite airport but then the proposal to build on the other side of the Bath Road would have created a satellite airport anyway. How could you move aircraft, fuel, crews, passengers and baggage from the central Heathrow terminals across runway 09L/27R and then through the hotels and other buildings lining the busy Bath Road?
This is a solution that will not cause immense misery and disruption to countless thousands who will have their homes, livelihoods and businesses bulldozed if plans for a 3rd (and for sure a 4th later) runway were allowed to go ahead.
We already have a workable and relatively inexpensive solution available. (1) Use the runway at Northolt (5 miles to the north) as Heathrow's 3rd, short-haul runway. Its almost the same length as the proposed new one, its roughly parallel to Heathrow's two long-haul runways, its already built, already operational and well served by roads and a railway. (2) Build a new short-haul terminal at Northolt. (3) Tunnel a link from Northolt to the Piccadilly Line at Heathrow. (4) Move all cargo operations out of Heathrow and relocate to Lyneham, Manston and/or Birmingham. This will free up a great many arrival and departure slots thus easing the load on Heathrow's two existing long runways. Yes, it will be a satellite airport but then the proposal to build on the other side of the Bath Road would have created a satellite airport anyway. How could you move aircraft, fuel, crews, passengers and baggage from the central Heathrow terminals across runway 09L/27R and then through the hotels and other buildings lining the busy Bath Road? This is a solution that will not cause immense misery and disruption to countless thousands who will have their homes, livelihoods and businesses bulldozed if plans for a 3rd (and for sure a 4th later) runway were allowed to go ahead. Joolsaitch
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11:48am Sat 10 Nov 12

Joolsaitch says...

And while I'm on my hobbyhorse, someone suggested earlier that holiday flights could be removed from Heathrow's list of movements.
As someone once a resident of Cornwall who had, year on year, to trek up to Gatwick to go on holiday, I couldn't agree more.
On two occasions my partner and I were able to fly from airports closer to us - once from Bristol and once from Exeter. It was wonderful. There are regional airports all over the country. Why cannot all the tour operators and holiday travel companies use those for flights into the Mediterranean or European destinations and create even more long-haul arrival and departure slots at Heathrow and at Gatwick?
And while I'm on my hobbyhorse, someone suggested earlier that holiday flights could be removed from Heathrow's list of movements. As someone once a resident of Cornwall who had, year on year, to trek up to Gatwick to go on holiday, I couldn't agree more. On two occasions my partner and I were able to fly from airports closer to us - once from Bristol and once from Exeter. It was wonderful. There are regional airports all over the country. Why cannot all the tour operators and holiday travel companies use those for flights into the Mediterranean or European destinations and create even more long-haul arrival and departure slots at Heathrow and at Gatwick? Joolsaitch
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5:23pm Mon 12 Nov 12

alex twickenham says...

I wonder whether Councillor Gareth Roberts has a view about the possibility of a 4th runway at Heathrow? Inevitably it will have to be sited south of the A30, and, apart from the areas in the immediate vicinity which will be blighted. His "2nd safest" ward of Hampton may well be adversely affected as well.
John Soones JP, wrote a good letter in this paper castigating Councillor G Roberts for his silly spat with Nikki Bedi, a late night radio presenter - what an idiot Gareth is - she was always going to win because she had the mike and he was being tedious about synonyms at 3.00am - doh!

What interested me about Mr Soones' letter was the way he described C'llr Gareth Roberts thus: "While he can be aggressive in cyberspace, he is submissive and obsequious when speaking for residents in cabinet meetings (when it really counts)" Has anyone else noticed that unfortunate trait? - I certainly have, at first hand.

So C'llr Gareth Roberts: What do you think about a 4th runway at Heathrow?
Alex
I wonder whether Councillor Gareth Roberts has a view about the possibility of a 4th runway at Heathrow? Inevitably it will have to be sited south of the A30, and, apart from the areas in the immediate vicinity which will be blighted. His "2nd safest" ward of Hampton may well be adversely affected as well. John Soones JP, wrote a good letter in this paper castigating Councillor G Roberts for his silly spat with Nikki Bedi, a late night radio presenter - what an idiot Gareth is - she was always going to win because she had the mike and he was being tedious about synonyms at 3.00am - doh! What interested me about Mr Soones' letter was the way he described C'llr Gareth Roberts thus: "While he can be aggressive in cyberspace, he is submissive and obsequious when speaking for residents in cabinet meetings (when it really counts)" Has anyone else noticed that unfortunate trait? - I certainly have, at first hand. So C'llr Gareth Roberts: What do you think about a 4th runway at Heathrow? Alex alex twickenham
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4:32pm Wed 14 Nov 12

alex twickenham says...

Not a peep out of LibDem Councillor Gareth Roberts. On September 26th I enqured whether he had ever posted anonymously on a local forum and then repeated my question on October 26th - still nothing, strange that, isn't it? Is he reluctant to admit that he has? (as good as guilty if he doesn't). Has he decided to ignore me? (sensible, but the inference is the same), or has his party leader ordered him to shut up following his idiotic 3.00am spat with a radio presenter about synonyms! (quite likely).

In my post above, I also asked whether he had a view on the possibility of a 4th runway at Heathrow and, if built, the impact it might have on his ward of Hampton - still no response despite the fact that he has been a prolific tweeter since my post. Sadly most of it seems to be some sort of weird geek talk between cycling obsessives, so I doubt he has given it much thought yet.

I think John Soones got it right in his letter to this paper when he suggested that Coun Roberts should try to raise his standards to those expected of people in public office. If he doesn't, his brag about representing the "2nd safest ward" in the borough could well come back to haunt him.
Alex
Not a peep out of LibDem Councillor Gareth Roberts. On September 26th I enqured whether he had ever posted anonymously on a local forum and then repeated my question on October 26th - still nothing, strange that, isn't it? Is he reluctant to admit that he has? (as good as guilty if he doesn't). Has he decided to ignore me? (sensible, but the inference is the same), or has his party leader ordered him to shut up following his idiotic 3.00am spat with a radio presenter about synonyms! (quite likely). In my post above, I also asked whether he had a view on the possibility of a 4th runway at Heathrow and, if built, the impact it might have on his ward of Hampton - still no response despite the fact that he has been a prolific tweeter since my post. Sadly most of it seems to be some sort of weird geek talk between cycling obsessives, so I doubt he has given it much thought yet. I think John Soones got it right in his letter to this paper when he suggested that Coun Roberts should try to raise his standards to those expected of people in public office. If he doesn't, his brag about representing the "2nd safest ward" in the borough could well come back to haunt him. Alex alex twickenham
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9:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

James Page (Green Party) says...

All these proposals would lead to an increase in carbon emissions, rather than a decrease, which is what we are committed too. We can make do with the runways we have.

And no you cannot rely of the emission trading scheme as a 'cap' on CO2 - only this week the EC have proposed exempting long haul flights (obviously by far the most emissive) from the scheme for a year.
All these proposals would lead to an increase in carbon emissions, rather than a decrease, which is what we are committed too. We can make do with the runways we have. And no you cannot rely of the emission trading scheme as a 'cap' on CO2 - only this week the EC have proposed exempting long haul flights (obviously by far the most emissive) from the scheme for a year. James Page (Green Party)
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